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    All these teams are throwing around money like they are politicians.
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    So between Blanks, mayberry, and reynolds we got the most expensive guy.

    Mo has spent $ on our bench. He just whiffs with his picks year after year.

    I have little faith MM knows how to deploy his Adam Dunn type asset.
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    Moe don't do benches
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    Mo has an unfortunate recent string of bad luck betting on bench bargains. But he's had success before.

    Nick Punto...

    and...

    ummm...

    Well, Nick Punto.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by two-hole View Post
    Mo has an unfortunate recent string of bad luck betting on bench bargains. But he's had success before.

    Nick Punto...

    and...

    ummm...

    Well, Nick Punto.
    The issue will continue to be that no one wants to be a backup on the Cardinals... especially at catcher.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by two-hole View Post
    Mo has an unfortunate recent string of bad luck betting on bench bargains. But he's had success before.

    Nick Punto...

    and...

    ummm...

    Well, Nick Punto.
    Gerald Laird? If anything he was great for that out-of-the-dugout-can't-control-my-body moment after Freese's walkoff in Game 6.
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    OTOH, Mo has done an excellent job with the twilight stars. Berkman and Beltran, namely.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by OzzieFan View Post
    The issue will continue to be that no one wants to be a backup on the Cardinals... especially at catcher.
    Every player wants to start. Every team needs backups. Once you accept that you are no longer starter material I would think being a backup on a winning team would have more appeal than on a loser. I understand the Molina thing, but there's nothing about the Cardinals generally that makes it unattractive for bench players.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by paulie walnuts View Post
    Once you accept that you are no longer starter material
    you answered the question already.
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    As with all things, acceptance is key.
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    Marlins are reportedly signing Morse for 2/$12. Early reports said 2/$8, but that can't be right.

    I am shocked he's not signing with an AL team. Orioles should have offered more.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Speedy G View Post
    Marlins are reportedly signing Morse for 2/$12. Early reports said 2/$8, but that can't be right.

    I am shocked he's not signing with an AL team. Orioles should have offered more.
    The Royals gave Morales 2/17 and then Rios 1/11.

    This guys better and cheaper than both of them.

    Great deal by the Fish.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Oz-iz-God View Post
    This guys better and cheaper than both of them.
    But he gets hurt every year. Realistically, you could add 20% to get his effective salary. And he's a disaster in the field (where he is certainly more likely to injure himself). He'll give back half his value with terrible defense. There might not be a player in MLB better suited for DH role.

    But the money here looks too reasonable for 2015, so I remain suspicious of the reports.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Speedy G View Post
    But he gets hurt every year. Realistically, you could add 20% to get his effective salary. And he's a disaster in the field (where he is certainly more likely to injure himself). He'll give back half his value with terrible defense. There might not be a player in MLB better suited for DH role.

    But the money here looks too reasonable for 2015, so I remain suspicious of the reports.
    I'm not really talking about his fit on our team, but rather his fit on the Royals - a team that needed a DH and part-time RFer (who would be subbed for defense anyway).

    It just seems to me that the Royals mis-fired on Rios and Morales if Morse could be had this cheap. Morales has more injury issues than Morse and Rios has really fallen off both offensively and defensively - putting up a whopping 1.3 WAR/season over the last 4 years.

    I'd still have loved to bring the guy on board, but he'd have never gotten the playing time he wanted here so a FA contract was likely not going to happen in STL. I just don't understand how a team like KC doesn't trump that. Maybe he just really wanted to live in Miami.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Oz-iz-God View Post
    Maybe he just really wanted to live in Miami.
    Or stay in the NL. He hasn't had much success in the other league. Someone needed to convince him that he's better off being a DH.

    1.3 WAR per is about twice what Morse has done over the last four years. His defense destroys his value.
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    Morse surprises me with how bad his D is. IIRC he was a SS in the minors at one point.
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    We needed a legit right-handed threat off the bench, not a late inning defensive replacement. The Morse deal proves the Cards got swindled.

    I should add that I don't want Reynolds platooning with Adams. Nor would I want Morse platooning with Adams.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Speedy G View Post
    Marlins are reportedly signing Morse for 2/$12. Early reports said 2/$8, but that can't be right.

    I am shocked he's not signing with an AL team. Orioles should have offered more.
    It's not reported as 2 yr $16M plus incentives.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by TCB 6-4-3 View Post
    It's not reported as 2 yr $16M plus incentives.
    That makes more sense. ESPN initially reported half that, LOL.

    I guess that's not a terrible deal in this market (depends on incentives, maybe), but IMO nearly every contract signed this year has been a terrible deal for the fans.

    Still think he'd have given an AL team much more value.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Speedy G View Post
    That makes more sense. ESPN initially reported half that, LOL.

    I guess that's not a terrible deal in this market (depends on incentives, maybe), but IMO nearly every contract signed this year has been a terrible deal for the fans.

    Still think he'd have given an AL team much more value.
    It isn't the fans who pay, really....it's anyone who pays for cable/satellite tv.

    And you're right in the DH....after losing Cruz & markakis how do the orioles not beat that marlins deal?
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by TCB 6-4-3 View Post
    It isn't the fans who pay, really....it's anyone who pays for cable/satellite tv.
    Which includes nearly every fan. Fans pay ridiculous ticket prices and even more ridiculous concession prices. They pay for mlb.tv, and most all of them pay for cable/satellite. MLB has taken their apparent windfall and divvied it up among the owners, players, agents, etc. The fans will always get screwed. Trickle up economics at work.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by TCB 6-4-3 View Post
    And you're right in the DH....after losing Cruz & markakis how do the orioles not beat that marlins deal?
    I know, right? O's have just sat on the sidelines. They could be looking at one of the worst corner OF combos in baseball. Maybe they will sign Rasmus.
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    I'd love Morse playing 1B vs LHP. Our production there would be killer.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by IITC View Post
    We needed a legit right-handed threat off the bench, not a late inning defensive replacement. The Morse deal proves the Cards got swindled.

    I should add that I don't want Reynolds platooning with Adams. Nor would I want Morse platooning with Adams.
    Huh?

    The Cards got Reynolds for 1 year at 1/4 the AAV as Morse. The Morse deal most assuredly doesn't prove the Cards got 'swindled'. The Cards actually got an solid deal on Reynolds. It's not the approach I would take, but $2 million for a pretty hefty amount of RH power isn't a ridiculous deal at all.

    Please explain how giving $8 million/season for 2 seasons to a guy that's even more defensively limited than Reynolds and also has substantial injury problems proves that the Cards were 'swindled'.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by m.j.murphy View Post
    At TCU, Carpenter weighed 240 lbs. Think Matt Adams.
    Um, are you sure about that?

    Maybe Matt Vern, but not Matt Carpenter. The guy was 208 and skinny as he is now.

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by kfmac70 View Post
    Um, are you sure about that?

    Maybe Matt Vern, but not Matt Carpenter. The guy was 208 and skinny as he is now.
    This article says he ballooned up to 240 at one point in his TCU career:

    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/689327...-to-work-ethic
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by kfmac70 View Post
    Um, are you sure about that?

    Maybe Matt Vern, but not Matt Carpenter. The guy was 208 and skinny as he is now.

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    Freshman Matt Carpenter was evidently extremely fat. He blew out his elbow and spent his lost season working out and dropping weight, IIRC.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Oz-iz-God View Post
    Freshman Matt Carpenter was evidently extremely fat. He blew out his elbow and spent his lost season working out and dropping weight, IIRC.
    Speaking of MCarp and TCU, just announced today, http://www.gofrogs.com/sports/m-base...111714aaa.html.

    Carpenter Headlines Coaches Clinic
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    Good catch and my apologies. All I knew of Carpenter was the latter part of his career at TCU and the pictures seemed to confirm what I remembered him to look like. When I saw the shots of Matt Vern, I thought someone might have gotten them confused because he does have a little Adams in him.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Oz-iz-God View Post
    Huh?

    The Cards got Reynolds for 1 year at 1/4 the AAV as Morse. The Morse deal most assuredly doesn't prove the Cards got 'swindled'. The Cards actually got an solid deal on Reynolds. It's not the approach I would take, but $2 million for a pretty hefty amount of RH power isn't a ridiculous deal at all.

    Please explain how giving $8 million/season for 2 seasons to a guy that's even more defensively limited than Reynolds and also has substantial injury problems proves that the Cards were 'swindled'.
    I cheerfully retract my comment (as it was made after reading in another thread his deal was 2 yrs/$8 million). 2 yrs / $16 million is another story.
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    This is the dead horse I'll be beating all year. A terrible acquisition for a team that expects to contend. We need a real first baseman tomorrow.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by IITC View Post
    This is the dead horse I'll be beating all year. A terrible acquisition for a team that expects to contend. We need a real first baseman tomorrow.
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    Whoever said this board would be crucifying Reynolds by June was a cockeyed optimist.
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    Don't blame Reynolds for tonight. He's just being Mark Reynolds. Blame the manager who put him in the position that almost assured failure. Do you know what Reynolds hit against power pitchers like Hoover last year? How about 134/202/329. However, against finesse pitcher like Marquis he hit 271/345/535. Tonight might have been one of the most favorable SP matchups they're going to see all season for Mark Reynolds, so of course Matheny would completely ignore it and start Adams. Just watch, Matheny will probably have Reynolds in the lineup against Cueto tomorrow.

    The Brewers were smart enough to realize Reynolds glaring weakness last year. They only gave him 20% of his plate appearances against power pitchers. Matheny has so far elected to give him 100% of his at bats against hard throwers against whom he has basically no chance. If this usage pattern continues (and I expect it will), Reynolds might not get a hit all season.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by TommyHerr28 View Post
    Don't blame Reynolds for tonight. He's just being Mark Reynolds. Blame the manager who put him in the position that almost assured failure. Do you know what Reynolds hit against power pitchers like Hoover last year? How about 134/202/329. However, against finesse pitcher like Marquis he hit 271/345/535. Tonight might have been one of the most favorable SP matchups they're going to see all season for Mark Reynolds, so of course Matheny would completely ignore it and start Adams. Just watch, Matheny will probably have Reynolds in the lineup against Cueto tomorrow.

    The Brewers were smart enough to realize Reynolds glaring weakness last year. They only gave him 20% of his plate appearances against power pitchers. Matheny has so far elected to give him 100% of his at bats against hard throwers against whom he has basically no chance. If this usage pattern continues (and I expect it will), Reynolds might not get a hit all season.
    It's like Forrest doesn't even realize that sort of data is available.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by John D View Post
    It's like Forrest doesn't even realize that sort of data is available.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Oz-iz-God View Post
    Huh?

    The Cards got Reynolds for 1 year at 1/4 the AAV as Morse. The Morse deal most assuredly doesn't prove the Cards got 'swindled'. The Cards actually got an solid deal on Reynolds. It's not the approach I would take, but $2 million for a pretty hefty amount of RH power isn't a ridiculous deal at all.

    Please explain how giving $8 million/season for 2 seasons to a guy that's even more defensively limited than Reynolds and also has substantial injury problems proves that the Cards were 'swindled'.
    When you add in the Forrest Factor, the Cardinals are likely to get next to nothing from Reynolds.
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    One plate appearance so far, or two?
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    How many plate appearances did he have last year? I wouldn't draw conclusions from his plate appearances this year if he hadn't already established the precedent.
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    Matheny need's to pick the right spot for Reynolds and I doubt he is smart enough for that.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by IITC View Post
    How many plate appearances did he have last year? I wouldn't draw conclusions from his plate appearances this year if he hadn't already established the precedent.
    For real. On a team that has difficulty with the fastball, we add a "power source" that can't hit fastballs.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by TommyHerr28 View Post
    Matheny has no idea how to properly take advantage of his bench. Instead of spot starting Reynolds against pitchers he's most likely to hit, Matheny will give him 3-4 pinch hit appearances a week in the late innings against high strikeout relief pitchers. At the end of April, Reynolds will probably be about 5 for 30 with 15 strikeouts and never recover. Then everyone will begin complaining that the Cardinals still have nothing of value on the bench.
    Reynolds finishes April at 5 for 29 with 11 strikeouts. So close...
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by TommyHerr28 View Post
    Reynolds finishes April at 5 for 29 with 11 strikeouts. So close...
    Matheny does seem to be figuring out how to use him a bit, though.

    After getting him barbecued against high octane fastballs for the first week or so, Matheny has started using him fairly judiciously against finesse pitchers. He's gotten some nice power and plate discipline out of him.

    Reynolds has been a pretty nice addition thus far.
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