Payjols Update

[STL Cardinal Fan 24]

Some used to call it aggressive and intelligent baserunning when he was in St. Louis. I always thought it was reckless and stupid.

Seems some things don't change.

I liked his aggressiveness. I still remember him scoring on a ground out to the second basemen from second base. It seemed like it worked out more often than not.

[85cards]

I liked his aggressiveness. I still remember him scoring on a ground out to the second basemen from second base. It seemed like it worked out more often than not.

I also loved the way he ran the bases. Someone keeping his head in the game and not taking everything for granted is not wreckless. Give me 9 guys like that.

But I am ashamed at how much I am enjoying his sub .400 SLG right now.

[STL Cardinal Fan 24]

The Angels cut Abreu and called up Trout, I guess you can have too many people who play the same positions.

[valpoweathernerd]

If anybody's missing a ballplayer with a surly attitude who'd be pretty cheap to pick up at this point, here's your opportunity to do so. At least we know he won't end up in STL.

[rollo58]

But I am ashamed at how much I am enjoying his sub .400 SLG right now.

Dr. Rollo says not to beat yourself up on this...perfectly normal. (please remit $100)

[Oz-iz-God]

He hit a grounder up the middle to beat the shift and managed to get thrown out stretching - it's even worse than the box score.

It wasn't aggressive - it was really really stupid.

[valpoweathernerd]

He hit a grounder up the middle to beat the shift and managed to get thrown out stretching - it's even worse than the box score.

It wasn't aggressive - it was really really stupid.

I guess somebody missed the memo that you typically stretch BEFORE the game starts, not standing 10 feet off second base where you'll get tagged out.

[paulie walnuts]

Dr. Rollo says not to beat yourself up on this...perfectly normal. (please remit $100)

Speaking in the third person suits you, doctor rollo.

[rollo58]

Speaking in the third person suits you, doctor rollo.

thank you my son, God bless you and floss twice a day

[valpoweathernerd]

For those that want some extra numbers:

Pujols' OBP of .310 is lower than or equal to the batting averages of five of the eight starting position players in the Cards' lineup today.

Eat your hearts out.

[CCPMatt13]

For those that want some extra numbers:

Pujols' OBP of .310 is lower than or equal to the batting averages of five of the eight starting position players in the Cards' lineup today.

Eat your hearts out.

Methinks regret has crept up in his mind recently...

[rollo58]

Methinks regret has crept up in his mind recently...

I am sure he'll end the season with good numbers, but the Cards sure have had a nice last 8 months...came out smelling like a rose all the way around.

[CCPMatt13]

Another O-fer today.
0-4 with a K brings his stats down to .216/.266/.295

Since his "breakout" 3 double game last week, he is a comfortable 3-34 with 7 Ks.

[barnbird]

Another O-fer today.
0-4 with a K brings his stats down to .216/.266/.295

Since his "breakout" 3 double game last week, he is a a comfortable 3-34 with 7 Ks.

STOP this- it's breaking my heart.

[$$$$$ Mr Money Bags $$$$$]

The only comparison we have on our team are Green and Descalso, who are hitting around .200 with 4RBIs each. Only thing, is that these guys have fewer at-bats than Albert, and also they also each have a HR while Albert still is looking for his first.

Of course, Green and Descalso aren't playing everyday because they're not getting the job done with the bat. Wonder how many at-bats Albert gets before the team finally sits his ass for once.

[barnbird]

Another O-fer today.
0-4 with a K brings his stats down to .216/.266/.295

Since his "breakout" 3 double game last week, he is a a comfortable 3-34 with 7 Ks.

If he keeps that shix up he will be mowing Artes lawn.

[Redbirdfan1]

I want to know how long they go w/ him in the 3 spot.

I still can not believe teams put a shift on him now. There's definitely a new phase in his career...and not a positive one that bodes well for that contract.

[Indy CardsFan]

Saw on Twitter today, that Pujols has the 2nd most ABs in MLB this season without a HR......

Who would have thought that he might well finish the month with fewer HR's than Shane Robinson???

[85cards]

Many of us hoped he would decline but this is staggering. He's obviously got confidence issues. I'm sure he'll get past them eventually but its awefully hard to overcome an April like this and put up #'s worthy of that contract. His 2003 and 2006 seasons were barely worth that contract.

[Riverdog]

I was certainly hoping for a decline. I think watching him fail is almost as fun as watching the Cubs lose.

[Cornhusker Cardinal]

Maybe god told him to start the season this way.

[kscardfan]

Maybe god told him to start the season this way.

Anyone ever tell you that you talk too much?

[ilcardsfan]

If he keeps that shix up he will be mowing Artes lawn.

Albert will make Odalis Perez do it if it comes to that.

[Riverdog]

I was just thinking if that 14th inning walk-off. My son's 1st game--it was great! I guess I'm more of a fan of the "name on the front". Go cards!

[ilcardsfan]

Read on Angels' forum: Albertross.

[Redbirdfan1]

you know what's also a bit surprising? The mainstream media really isn't giving this slow start any play. There's not much noise about it or what's wrong w/ Payols.

I'd like to see the pressure rise a bit from the media and put it front and center.

[Indy CardsFan]

you know what's also a bit surprising? The mainstream media really isn't giving this slow start any play. There's not much noise about it or what's wrong w/ Payols.

I'd like to see the pressure rise a bit from the media and put it front and center.

A bit surprising, but in LA the Angels were never a big story to begin with....and with the Dodgers, Lakers & Kings doing well, they are likely dominating the sports news out there. ESPN would care if he were on the Yanks or BoSox, but otherwise unless it's on baseball tonight -- I don't think it will get much run.

[Redbirdfan1]

A bit surprising, but in LA the Angels were never a big story to begin with....and with the Dodgers, Lakers & Kings doing well, they are likely dominating the sports news out there. ESPN would care if he were on the Yanks or BoSox, but otherwise unless it's on baseball tonight -- I don't think it will get much run.

Probably true but the Angels were the darling pick to win the AL. Yet on ESPN's MLB page you have this

Because of a weak supporting cast, Miguel Cabrera and the Tigers' other stars may find themselves back in the pack.

I think only the Twins and Royals and Pads have a worse record at this point. Plus they are already 9 Games out. 9!

[John D]

you know what's also a bit surprising? The mainstream media really isn't giving this slow start any play. There's not much noise about it or what's wrong w/ Payols.

I'd like to see the pressure rise a bit from the media and put it front and center.

I think it's fantastic they're ignoring him.

Nothing bothers him more.

[Oz-iz-God]

He couldn't have picked a better media market.

Large market, so there's plenty of money - yet very few people in LA actually give a !@#$ about the Angels.

It's a Dodgers town. Hell, it's a Lakers town - then a Dodgers town.

[John D]

Just imagine - his contract and Vernon Wells' on the same ballclub.

[LOB]

So that 10 year ambassador clause is looking good, Angels fans will get to boo him for 10 years after his crappy Angels career ends. I am sure glad the Angels are paying for the production Albert gave us.

[85cards]

Just imagine - his contract and Vernon Wells' on the same ballclub.

I'm ashamed to admit I coveted Wells for the Cardinals several years ago. Hopefully the LAAAAA's can continue to hand out all the bad money and we'll keep bringing up Freeses and Jays.

[85cards]

He couldn't have picked a better media market.

Large market, so there's plenty of money - yet very few people in LA actually give a !@#$ about the Angels.

It's a Dodgers town. Hell, it's a Lakers town - then a Dodgers town.

I really hope it doesn't become a Ram town again. Even if they suck I still would miss pro football if we get re-Bidwelled.

[ilcardsfan]

Just imagine - his contract and Vernon Wells' on the same ballclub.

Just wait til Lohse wins 18 games this year and the Angels sign him to a 4/90 or 5/120 contract during the off-season.
Three years from now, The Pay Day Kid will hit 14 homeruns with 74 rbi, while hitting .268 and 120 Ks, Lohse will be 2-8 with a 6.09 ERA before being shut down and Vernon Wells will be watching it all on tv from Maui with Arte's AmEx on file in the lobby paying for it all.

[John D]

I'm ashamed to admit I coveted Wells for the Cardinals several years ago. Hopefully the LAAAAA's can continue to hand out all the bad money and we'll keep bringing up Freeses and Jays.

Cards had an interleague series with the Jays about 7 years ago. Wells was a hot property back then. To me, he seemed like a glorified member of a slo-pitch beer league.

[85cards]

Just wait til Lohse wins 18 games this year and the Angels sign him to a 4/90 or 5/120 contract during the off-season.

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I wish they had another Jimmy Edmonds to trade for Lohse and Skip.

[John D]

The funniest post I've ever seen on one of these boards was on CardsTalk way back in 1999.

Morris, Alan Benes, Donna Osborne, all injured. Walt did nothing to get additional pitching help - declaring that Orel Hershiser and Hideo Nomo were "no better than the guys we've got."

The Squire announced that Bottonfield was going to start ballgames.

Charles Hammonds, at Cards Talk submitted the following:

"Bottonfield to the rotation? What's next, Barney pitching?"

And - he meant Barney the Purple Dinosaur.

I laughed until I cried over that post.

[rolen-on-the-river]

The funniest post I've ever seen on one of these boards was on CardsTalk way back in 1999.

Check your facts, Mr. Bully.

Bottenfield was still a Cub in 1997.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...otteke01.shtml

Boo hoo.

You're off. Again.

[Migratory Redbird]

The funniest post I've ever seen on one of these boards was on CardsTalk way back in 1999.

Morris, Alan Benes, Donna Osborne, all injured. Walt did nothing to get additional pitching help - declaring that Orel Hershiser and Hideo Nomo were "no better than the guys we've got."

The Squire announced that Bottonfield was going to start ballgames.

Charles Hammonds, at Cards Talk submitted the following:

"Bottonfield to the rotation? What's next, Barney pitching?"

And - he meant Barney the Purple Dinosaur.

I laughed until I cried over that post.

Also funny was that Bottenfield won more games in 1999 than any Cardinals pitcher since Andy Benes in 1996.

I'll concede that Botts was very lucky when it came to run support in 1999 and that W-L record and ERA are not always very indicative of how well a pitcher is pitching, but the fact remains that none of our other pitchers cracked the double digit barrier in wins. Oliver led the staff in innings, but had a .500 record. Jiminez had double digit losses. Mercker and Stephenson together totaled fewer innings than either Oliver or Bottenfield.

Botts also had the only ERA under 4.00, and that just barely.

[John D]

You're off. Again.

Rolen,

Without you quoting him, I would never have seen TVS making an even bigger ankle-biting ass of himself.

Thanks.

[paulie walnuts]

Rolen,

Without you quoting him, I would never have seen TVS making an even bigger ankle-biting ass of himself.

Thanks.

Yeah, a little egg on my face.

However, your mocking the decision of putting Bottenfield into the rotation should be ten times more embarrassing. Not only was it a spectacular success, Walt then flipped him for Edmonds.

Yes, the pitching sucked in 97-99 mostly due to injuries inflicted by La Russa's overuse. But pointing to the one success story as an example of failure is, well, idiotic.

[John D]

Yeah, a little egg on my face.

However, your mocking the decision of putting Bottenfield into the rotation should be ten times more embarrassing. Not only was it a spectacular success, Walt then flipped him for Edmonds.

Yes, the pitching sucked in 97-99 mostly due to injuries inflicted by La Russa's overuse. But pointing to the one success story as an example of failure is, well, idiotic.

Busted, you worthless ankle-biting buffoon.

[paulie walnuts]

Busted, you worthless ankle-biting buffoon.

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[John D]

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When LaRooster scratched his ass, he got your DNA under his fingernails.

[rolen-on-the-river]

Busted, you worthless ankle-biting buffoon.

In true fashion he deletes the post. As if to throw of the scent of his idiocy.

[$$$$$ Mr Money Bags $$$$$]

Didn't he have something like 15 wins by the All-Star break and then fell off the cliff the rest of the season?

[ilcardsfan]

Didn't he have something like 15 wins by the All-Star break and then fell off the cliff the rest of the season?

Bottenfield was 14-3 at the All-Star break, from memory. I think 18-7 overall.

[$$$$$ Mr Money Bags $$$$$]

Bum sighted carrying a stick.

Time for the Bum to take a seat!

K

[Migratory Redbird]

Bottenfield was 14-3 at the All-Star break, from memory. I think 18-7 overall.

Good memory, but you don't need to rely upon it, since B-R provides his 1999 Game Log.

I said earlier that Botts was "lucky" in 1999, but not extraordinarily so. If you sort his 1999 games by game score, you'll see he got a no decision in his best game that season, in which he pitched 8 innings and allowed only 1 run.

But there were 3 starts with game scores of 41 in which he didn't figure in the decision. Also, there were 4 starts with game scores between 36 and 40 in which his run support provided him wins.

If we take 50 as the game score separating good starts from bad ones, Botts had 17 starts in which his game score was 50 or above, winning 12, losing 2, with 3 no decisions. In his 14 starts with game scores of 49 or below, he won 6, lost 5, and had 3 no decisions.