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    QuoteOriginally Posted by John D View Post
    254 million doesn't go as far as it used to.
    Apparently $217M goes further.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by valpoweathernerd View Post
    Apparently $217M goes further.
    Boreass told us so.
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    Watching Albert bat with Little Joe and Timmy Mac calling the plays, and I learned something I didn't know; apparently, Albert has the ability to hit an inside pitch and keep it fair, while other hitters can't.
    Who would have thought it, right?
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by ilcardsfan View Post
    Watching Albert bat with Little Joe and Timmy Mac calling the plays, and I learned something I didn't know; apparently, Albert has the ability to hit an inside pitch and keep it fair, while other hitters can't.
    Who would have thought it, right?
    I think that skill has diminished alot in the last five years.
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    We didn't see nearly as much of it the past year or so, for sure.
    I don't think he is as good a hitter as he used to be. Period.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by ilcardsfan View Post
    We didn't see nearly as much of it the past year or so, for sure.
    I don't think he is as good a hitter as he used to be. Period.
    No team could EVER do to him what the Brewers did last year.

    You don't give a guy like that a lifetime contract.
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    2 for 5 today upping his avg to 250, I think with the team the Angels have he will hit for above 300. I am still glad we did not sign him.
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    What is interesting to me is that on at least three occasions I've seen, AP has hit the ball and his body language has indicated he thinks it's gone, or at least that it has a fighting chance. But the ball is short of the warning track.

    Aging is a bitch.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Dale E Wetzel View Post
    What is interesting to me is that on at least three occasions I've seen, AP has hit the ball and his body language has indicated he thinks it's gone, or at least that it has a fighting chance. But the ball is short of the warning track.

    Aging is a bitch.
    34 isn't 24.

    But, he's still got that "respect" he wanted.

    FU More Payjols
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    Arte Moreno on the line.

    He's thinking those soft flares to SS with RISP aren't what he was after.
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    I've seen pitchers give better ABs than the one that Albert just had.

    Absolutely frozen on what was no better than a b- curveball. It wasn't awful, but it certainly wasn't a plus pitch. It probably should've been hit and he just watched it spin in at the belt and in the center of the plate.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Oz-iz-God View Post
    I've seen pitchers give better ABs than the one that Albert just had.

    Absolutely frozen on what was no better than a b- curveball. It wasn't awful, but it certainly wasn't a plus pitch. It probably should've been hit and he just watched it spin in at the belt and in the center of the plate.
    This is actually getting really interesting.

    I was prepared for him to start mashing right out of the gate.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by John D View Post
    This is actually getting really interesting.

    I was prepared for him to start mashing right out of the gate.
    I said it last year when everyone was saying his FA season would fuel him - Albert doesn't need focus. He wasn't so great because of raw talent, he was great because of otherworldly focus on an AB to AB basis. It made him a surly asswipe, but he had one purpose in this world and that was hitting the baseball.

    Just like last year, added 'focus' is really just pressure. He's not going to go in there and fight harder during ABs, he's just going to get into his own head.

    Matt Kemp, a supremely talented headcase that forgets to actually show up and try about 2/3 of the time, will explode during a contract drive. Jake Westbrook, a mediocre career veteran, will get nice and fat after he signs the deal that sets him for life.

    But guys like Chris Carpenter and Albert Pujols - players that were great because of their focus not in spite of it, don't improve with FA motivation; they can only falter under additional weight.

    Albert's more intent to prove everyone wrong than ever. He's wanting to succeed right now just like he did last season in his walk year. And all that 'extra focus' is creating is pressure that has him squeezing splinters into his palms during every AB.

    I'm sure the Angels, who are no doubt writing off the last 1/3 of that contract as wildly overvalued anyway, are loving seeing him struggle through what would be the best year he's going to have from a physical skills standpoint.

    Albert - I hope you're healthy as a horse every game of that contract. And I hope you eat a bag of dicks every time you step to the plate.
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    Really looks like quite a bit of fun to play for the Angels, doesn't it?
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    The Angels have me rooting for Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez.

    It's not quite as hard as I thought it would be.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Oz-iz-God View Post
    The Angels have me rooting for Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez.

    It's not quite as hard as I thought it would be.
    I'm right there with you.

    I would imagine Potomac Spank is rolling over in his grave.
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    Albert with another crack RISP...

    ...

    And nothing - weak grounder to 3b.

    More still - the Yankees are putting the shift on Albert now; Cano is standing 10 feet to the SS side of the 2b bag. Now there's something I never thought I'd see.
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    Up again with men on 1st and 2nd.

    1st pitch is a fastball right down central, he stares at it.
    2nd pitch is a mediocre two-seamer in on the fists that he fouls back
    3rd pitch is a hung slider that Albert is able to pull and drive to LF for an RBI single.

    Dead pull AB; ended up way out over his front foot and was still trying to pull the ball.

    He's not the hitter he was 4 years ago. He's moving into the 'old skills' stage of his career where he's looking to spit on good pitches and pull the hell out of anything in his wheel house. He's not a guy that's going to hit good pitching that often these days, IMO.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Oz-iz-God View Post
    Up again with men on 1st and 2nd.

    1st pitch is a fastball right down central, he stares at it.
    2nd pitch is a mediocre two-seamer in on the fists that he fouls back
    3rd pitch is a hung slider that Albert is able to pull and drive to LF for an RBI single.

    Dead pull AB; ended up way out over his front foot and was still trying to pull the ball.

    He's not the hitter he was 4 years ago. He's moving into the 'old skills' stage of his career where he's looking to spit on good pitches and pull the hell out of anything in his wheel house. He's not a guy that's going to hit good pitching that often these days, IMO.
    Talk about dodging a bullet.

    On their biggest test, it looks like the Cardinals played it just right.

    They got 11 HOF seasons from him. He "may" never put up another one.

    Now, he may just be in a funk. But, you have to wonder "if" the last two years declining numbers were no accident.

    I mean, he was supposed to be in salary drive.

    Look at how guys like Lohse and Westbrook perform when the money's on the line.

    Is .299 with 99RBI the best he'll do from here on out?
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    When Ibanez sent that thing up there with Sputnik, I could hear Hrapology in the background:

    CUTTER
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Oz-iz-God View Post
    Up again with men on 1st and 2nd.

    1st pitch is a fastball right down central, he stares at it.
    2nd pitch is a mediocre two-seamer in on the fists that he fouls back
    3rd pitch is a hung slider that Albert is able to pull and drive to LF for an RBI single.

    Dead pull AB; ended up way out over his front foot and was still trying to pull the ball.

    He's not the hitter he was 4 years ago. He's moving into the 'old skills' stage of his career where he's looking to spit on good pitches and pull the hell out of anything in his wheel house. He's not a guy that's going to hit good pitching that often these days, IMO.
    As much as I now want this to be true, I think you're reading too much into a few ab's. Albert's decline is on the horizon. I'm not convinced it is here. Oh, he's undoubtedly past his peak...but let's not forget that peak was an ungodly level of production. Even the 'lesser' Albert of 11 was still a top 5 hitter overall and variance being what it is it is easy to see him outperforming last year in 12. He was in a worse and longer lasting funk in 11 and still went on to an awesome season. I expect Albert to be ridiculously good (barring catastrophic injury) for the next 2-3 years. After that, he should be a good to very good hitter for about that afterwards. It's the final third of his contract where it will be a real stinker in terms of production/cost. D.GOOCH
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Oz-iz-God
    The Angels have me rooting for Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez.

    It's not quite as hard as I thought it would be.
    It's kinda fun, actually.

    QuoteOriginally Posted by John D View Post
    When Ibanez sent that thing up there with Sputnik..
    Hunter's reaction was priceless.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by stuckinla View Post
    Hunter's reaction was priceless.
    Saw that on SportsCenter this morning - gave me a bit of a smile before heading in to work.
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    R-e-s-p-e-c-t!

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    Texas 9 2 .818 - 8-2 W5 5-2 4-0 4/17 @ BOS, W 18-3
    Seattle 6 6 .500 3.5 5-5 L1 2-2 4-4 4/17 vs CLE, L 8-9
    Oakland 5 7 .417 4.5 4-6 W1 3-4 2-3 4/17 @ LAA, W 5-3
    LA Angels 4 7 .364 5.0 3-7 L1 2-3 2-4 4/17 vs OAK, L 3-5
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    The Angels are already 7 games behind the Rangers. That takes some kind of run on both sides toget there in 13 games played.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by STL Cardinal Fan 24 View Post
    The Angels are already 7 games behind the Rangers. That takes some kind of run on both sides toget there in 13 games played.
    I've never pulled for the Dodgers.

    Yet, I find myself really enjoying their fast start and Matt Kemp's celebrity and "respect" he's finding in Southern California.

    This is really too funny.

    I hope the Angels finish last.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by STL Cardinal Fan 24 View Post
    The Angels are already 7 games behind the Rangers. That takes some kind of run on both sides toget there in 13 games played.
    As good as Texas is, that is a huge deficit this early. there's always the wild card...
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by rollo58 View Post
    As good as Texas is, that is a huge deficit this early. there's always the wild card...
    And there are always the Rays, ChiSox, and Twins
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    I'm not sure what else MLB could've done to let Anaheim get out to a fast start. I guess they could've just scheduled them for a 12 game series against the Padres or something.

    It's a bad baseball team right now.

    EDIT: a quote from Pujols last night "Would I have hit 445 home runs if I worried about hitting them?"

    Uh - Albert - if you didn't worry about hitting HRs, you wouldn't know that you've hit 445 of them. I'm also pretty sure that the fact that teams are putting the shift on against you these days says all that needs to be said about whether or not you're selling out a little for the long-balls.
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    Just proves that the trendy pick to beat the Rangers have a lot of aging flaws. I still don't understand how just adding Pujols made them the team to beat in the AL. Texas is a badass team. They just need someone else to manage in the playoffs.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Oz-iz-God View Post
    I'm not sure what else MLB could've done to let Anaheim get out to a fast start. I guess they could've just scheduled them for a 12 game series against the Padres or something.

    It's a bad baseball team right now.

    EDIT: a quote from Pujols last night "Would I have hit 445 home runs if I worried about hitting them?"

    Uh - Albert - if you didn't worry about hitting HRs, you wouldn't know that you've hit 445 of them. I'm also pretty sure that the fact that teams are putting the shift on against you these days says all that needs to be said about whether or not you're selling out a little for the long-balls.
    Having Tori Hunter behind him isn't helping.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by John D View Post
    And there are always the Rays, ChiSox, and Twins
    yes indeed ...love it
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    Sounds a bit surly in this morning's OC Register:

    http://www.ocregister.com/sports/hom...ujols-run.html
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Oz-iz-God View Post
    And I hope you eat a bag of dicks every time you step to the plate.
    What a surly image!
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    Three doubles yesterday and his average is up to .296. I have a feeling this thread will fade away soon.
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    Three doubles yesterday and his average is up to .296. I have a feeling this thread will fade away soon.
    I doubt it. Outside of our own games, I've never enjoyed a team losing more than I have with the Angels. It's proof that $$$ doesn't buy you a team, and it's quite fitting that Pujols and Wells are on the same team.
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    But how much can you enjoy it if he winds up doing well?
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by redhat View Post
    But how much can you enjoy it if he winds up doing well?
    I try and focus on the more positive things in life.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by redhat View Post
    Three doubles yesterday and his average is up to .296. I have a feeling this thread will fade away soon.
    Just for you, we'll be here to celebrate every failure.
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    The nice thing about baseball is that, even hitting .300, we're left with 7 out of 10 failures to enjoy. And countless additional double plays. Or who knows how many additional surly (I think that's the word of the day) interviews. Plenty of thread fodder!
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    Angels leading Orioles

    Payjols - 0-2
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    Angels beat Baltimore

    Payjols 0-4
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    An interesting tidbit, the clause that just might have sealed the deal for Pujols (since he felt oh-so underappreciated by the Cardinals brass) is no longer legal. You cannot have personal services clauses, or (what might be a bigger deal) milestone clauses in contracts.

    http://content.usatoday.com/communit...ed-in-future/1

    In particular, this tidbit was news to me:

    "In Decemeber, a similar provision appeared in Pujols' prospective deal. Pujols would get a $3 million payout for his 3,000th hit and another $7 million if he breaks Barry Bonds' all-time home run record."

    Current AVG - .276
    Current Slugging - .397

    I don't care who you are. If you aren't the Stl. Cardinals and you pay him that kind of money, you expect MUCH more than that. Will he ever realize that? Doubt it.

    "Listen, it's not being cocky, but I know I can hit," Pujols said. "I showed that in the spring. I've shown that for 11 years and I don't think it's going to go away."

    He obviously thinks he has the fountain of youth as well. Good luck and God speed.
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    Deidre

    Just watched Chen strikeout Albert in what looked like a pretty bad at-bat.

    I am wondering if Deidre is too occupied with the SoCal lifestyle to "coach" Albert. Seems like he could use his "hitting coach" right about now.
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    DHing today, and so far 0-2 with a K where he looked lost at the plate.

    Flail= Fail

    Still looking for his first hit in this series against the tough Orioles.

    Let's go O's!
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    Baltimore just took the lead in the 10th. Hope they can hold on to win this one.
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    Final Score

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    Payjols 0-4
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    Good guys win it!
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